In my mind Spike was only nice to Buffy, Dawn, anyone when he wanted something from them. He was nice to Buffy because he loved and wanted her. Not because he was nice. maybe _________________
and watching 'the initiative' the other night, the episode where spike goes to attack willow in her dorm only to discover he couldn't get his bump on. spike seriously comforts a distraught willow, reassuring her that he'd bite her in a heartbeat if he could.
Spike's very attuned to human emotions. so is angelus, but but angelus is mostly fixated on using his perceptions of human emotion to enhance his capacity to do evil and make people go crazy. other hand, spike's attunement is more effulgent, more affected by peoples sadness.
In Something Blue: "can't you people see she's hanging on by a thread?"
In Spike's early days of the chip he seeks help from buffy, who he hates, and her friends. why? it almost seems as if spike is less concerned that he cant kill and maim (which i imagine would drive angelus into a sadistic rage) than he is about getting blood and smokes. Spike seeks help from people he hates, (out of all the demons and creatures that no doubt he could negotiate with), which is what makes chippy spike so pathetic. he's just not evil enough. _________________ mmm
Spike's very attuned to human emotions. so is angelus, but but angelus is mostly fixated on using his perceptions of human emotion to enhance his capacity to do evil and make people go crazy. other hand, spike's attunement is more effulgent, more affected by peoples sadness.
Yeah definitely, they're both very perceptive.
You know how by season 7, Xander was labeled as the one that sees everything, well I think Spike did as well. For someone on the edges of the Scooby gang, Spike really knew all the dimensions of all their relationships. And he always claimed not to care when those relationships were falling apart, but he'd always help out anyway (in Family, for example).
Angelus seemed to see the same links between people, but he would use that knowledge to trick and exploit people and turn them against each other, like when he went evil in Angel. Just look at the way he tormented Buffy when he first lost his soul, he doesn't need violence to hurt people.
Spike could do the same if he wanted to. In The Yoko Factor, he knew exactly what to say to them all to split them up, just usually he would choose not to. _________________ some terrifying space monkeys maybe got loose
Personally, I think Angelus is truly evil, and Spike is more a Bart Simpson evil: evil because it's fun and not because of the evilness itself. _________________ Listening to you I get the music
Gazing at you I get the heat
Following you I climb the mountain
I get excitement at your feet!
Spike seems amoral. He doesn't care about what's right or wrong, but not interested just in doing evil. He seems to just do whatever he wants to, no matter who it helps or hurts, just looking to have fun and to survive (hence helping the Scoobies). Angel is pure evil, wanting only to cause pain to others. That would never change, whether with a chip or not. Though, this question is at the root of why the Initiative created a 'behavior modification chip' to begin with, right? To see if losing the capacity to kill would alter how demons behave? I'm assuming that it would never change a demon to have one, only restrict them. Okay, so those are my thoughts on the matter; I hope that they make at least a little sense. _________________
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Personally, I think Angelus is truly evil, and Spike is more a Bart Simpson evil: evil because it's fun and not because of the evilness itself.
Okay, after reading this whole topic (I love an argumnet, who doesn't?) I would have to say that is an excellent way of putting it. I really come down on the side of Spike here. I think he was never really as mean as Angelus anyway, as illustrated by the whole tea and marshmallows thing... and that whole thing in family. He chose to help Tara out. None of the others had even thought of it, so he wouldn't have lost out on getting on Buffy's good side. The only thing that I can think is that he did out of sympathy. Sure, Buffy thought it was a nice thing to have done, but it didn't seem to me like that was why he did it.
Another thing is Liam seemed to be rather more evil (as humans go) than William. And although this isn't the only thing involved in a vampire's personality, it'd be silly to say it had no impact.
So, anyway, after all that ranting, I hope it's at least vaguely clear that I think Spike is pretty unique, and that Angelus is just plain mean. (though I'm not judging Angel, hehe)
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