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Who are you voting for (or would you vote for were you american and/or over 18)?
Obama
56%
 56%  [ 9 ]
McCain
25%
 25%  [ 4 ]
Not voting/don't know/don't care
18%
 18%  [ 3 ]
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 5:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought I would post this article about the voter-approved ban on gay marriage in California.  It really seems horrible that this would pass in California, of all places.  I mean, this is one of the last states that I would have expected to ban gay marriage.  I really wish I knew why people would possibly oppose two people getting married, but I don't.  I also wish I knew what it is about gay people that inspires so much hate and fear in so many.  I guess society hasn't gotten that advance yet.  Hopefully it will soon, though.

Anyway, here's the link, but be warned:  the article will make you angry and confused at the stupidity of these people...
http://news.aol.com/elections/art...d=100214839x1212749796x1200806874
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PostPosted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 4:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I thought I would post this article about the voter-approved ban on gay marriage in California.


That's just shocking, really. Especially the part about non-married couples not being allowed to serve as adoptive parents. Yeesh. Crappy rules.
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 1:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

im pretty happy that obama mentioned gay people within the first couple of paragraphs of his accepatance speech.  thats pretty amazing, i cant imagine any other leader stepping up to make his most historic speech and say the word gay.

as for marriage... whats most disturbing the the comments people are posting.  as a dirty homo, this is the sort of thing that you just have to accept.... sure some would say fight fight fight, but quality of life, well its a thing.   so marriage?   well personally i love romance and parties and acknowledgement, but the whole issue of gay marriage is so frought now that i think a lot of us dont want it any more (if we ever did).  
Equal rights are a long way off for us... so we just have to make the most of living our lives and trying to surround ourselves with loving friends and family, and forget about the rednecks and fuckwits of the world (because eventually they will choke on their own bile or get cancer in their underpants)
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PostPosted: Fri Nov 07, 2008 2:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had not actually read the comments below the article.  Wow.  I mean, these people are the scum of the Earth (the inbred, fuckwit scum, in fact.)  They absolutely make me sick.  I almost can't believe there are actually people like this out there, but obviously there are.
@cardy:  do you really not gay marriage?  Obviously I'm not gay (so it doesn't have an effect on me), but I would have thought that this right was very important to those who are.  I know I fully support gay marriage and wish it was legalized everywhere, and I'm a bit surprised that all gay people don't want this very much.  I'm assuming it's a result of the barrage of hate and mental retardation from those opposing it, and I hope you can find a way to ignore this (if possible.)  Obviously, you're awesome and these people spend their time trying to bite their ears...

I hope my rambling makes sense.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 2:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Urgh, noooo! Proposition 8 was passed? BULLSHIT! That's ridiculous, seriously.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 4:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Urgh, noooo! Proposition 8 was passed? BULLSHIT! That's ridiculous, seriously.

It's being contested, but yes.
I doubt that contesting it will go for anything.  It was passed in a referendum, so I don't see how a judge can overturn it.  It's just so sad that the majority of people can support something like this.  I guess there's just a lot of nasty, retarded people out there.
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PostPosted: Mon Nov 10, 2008 11:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

NotFadeAway wrote:
I guess there's just a lot of nasty, retarded people out there.


I think that's the only way to explain how something like this could've happened. And I'll admit, I'm really surprised that something like this passed in California, of all the states. I didn't expect that at all.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 4:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wynter wrote:
NotFadeAway wrote:
I guess there's just a lot of nasty, retarded people out there.


I think that's the only way to explain how something like this could've happened. And I'll admit, I'm really surprised that something like this passed in California, of all the states. I didn't expect that at all.

That's why it surprised me so much too.  I hate to say it, but if this had passed in Georgia (the state I live in) I wouldn't have been surprised at all.  I hate that laws like this can still pass in this day and age, but hopefully it won't be too long until people learn that gay people aren't anything to be afraid of.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 6:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

hmmm its an interesting debate, and i sure dont speak for all queer people, just myself.
but marriage is a heterosexual institution and its closely linked with property and ownership, and it also has powerful religious meaning for many, and there are so many reasons why its not about love between two people.  its hard to escape the historical context of marriage, and many people, and not only queers, question the relevance of this contract anyway.  if you love someone, just be with them forever, have their babies, have a big party and pay for everyone's booze, get frocked up, celebrate anniversaries and do all that.  i think marriage and babies are part of a heterosexual script that is really limiting.  how many couples do you know that broke up because one of them didnt want to marry or have babies?

having said that, im just bitter cause Q keeps saying no whenever i propose. hehe
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 11, 2008 7:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

cardboardy wrote:
hmmm its an interesting debate, and i sure dont speak for all queer people, just myself.
but marriage is a heterosexual institution and its closely linked with property and ownership, and it also has powerful religious meaning for many, and there are so many reasons why its not about love between two people.  its hard to escape the historical context of marriage, and many people, and not only queers, question the relevance of this contract anyway.  if you love someone, just be with them forever, have their babies, have a big party and pay for everyone's booze, get frocked up, celebrate anniversaries and do all that.  i think marriage and babies are part of a heterosexual script that is really limiting.  how many couples do you know that broke up because one of them didnt want to marry or have babies?

having said that, im just bitter cause Q keeps saying no whenever i propose. hehe
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No offense, but I think, personally, that at least 95% of the reason is bigotry/prejudice and not anything else.  It's sad, and hopefully will change soon, but for now, it's the way things are. :(
Oh, and it's so embarrassing to have something like this mar this country (what must the world think that the people of America are a bunch of ignorant homophobes?).



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